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Discussion for Today
[edit]- This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025_April_26
April 26
[edit]NEW NOMINATIONS
[edit]Category:Patent legislation
[edit]- Propose manually merging Category:Patent legislation into Category:Patent law by country and Category:Patent law
- Nominator's rationales: (1) I got lost in the category trees before realizing they were not fully connected; I propose to make the smaller category into a redirect. (2) The relevant legislation is almost always national, so "by country" is the right concept. (3) In a few cases, e.g. Patent Act and international treaties, the concept is transnational, so an article can be classified in more generic categories such as Category:Patent law. (4) "Legislation" would be a better title for legislative work in progress, but we have few if any articles about that; the articles are about completed Acts aka laws. I only need to do a dozen manual edits to get this done, I think. I wanted to check with experts here to see if there's any reason not to charge ahead with the task. -- econterms (talk) 20:01, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:OTI Festival presenters
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Similar to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_15#Category:Nationaal_Songfestival_presenters, I suggest deleting this category per WP:PERFCAT. Grk1011 (talk) 18:54, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:Maywood (band) songs
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Only one entry (which is itself a redirect), making this category wholly redundant. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 18:20, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:Funerals in Vatican City
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: delete, duplicate of Category:Deaths and funerals of popes. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:35, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:Czech alchemists
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Czech alchemists to Category:Alchemists from Bohemia
- Nominator's rationale: rename, the term "Czech" became usual in the 19th century and this category is about the 16th century. Or possibly delete the category, the articles are in Category:16th-century writers from Bohemia and Category:16th-century alchemists anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:1st-century texts in Latin
[edit]- Propose manually merging Category:1st-century texts in Latin to Category:1st-century texts and Category:Texts in Latin
- Nominator's rationale: manually merge, isolated category, this is not useful for navigation. Manually merge because most articles are already in Category:1st-century inscriptions and Category:Latin inscriptions. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:34, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose: Why and how is this not "helpful for navigation"? This cross-category is defining/neutral/verifiable and precise and can therefore be kept. It currently contains 5 pages but can obviously contain more. -Mushy Yank. 18:58, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:Lý dynasty in fiction
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: delete, one article only, which is not helpful for navigation. I don't think we need to merge this somewhere, the article is already in proper 13th-century and Vietnamese fiction categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: it is defining/verifiable/neutral and precise, so can be kept. -Mushy Yank. 18:54, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Children's books set in ancient history and Middle Ages
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Children's books set in the 15th century BC (2 P) to Category:Works set in the 15th century BC and Category:Children's books set in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:Children's books set in the 14th century BC (2 P) to Category:Works set in the 14th century BC and Category:Children's books set in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:Children's books set in the 1st century BC (6 P) to Category:Works set in the 1st century BC and Category:Children's books set in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:Children's books set in the 1st century (1 C, 4 P) to Category:Works set in the 1st century and Category:Children's books set in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:Children's books set in the 2nd century (2 P) to Category:Works set in the 2nd century and Category:Children's books set in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:Children's books set in the 3rd century (1 P) to Category:Works set in the 3rd century and Category:Children's books set in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:Children's books set in the 5th century (1 P) to Category:Works set in the 5th century and Category:Children's books set in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:Children's books set in the 6th century (2 P) to Category:Works set in the 6th century and Category:Children's books set in the Middle Ages
- Propose merging Category:Children's books set in the 10th century (3 P) to Category:Works set in the 10th century and Category:Children's books set in the Middle Ages
- Propose merging Category:Children's books set in the 11th century (2 P) to Category:Works set in the 11th century and Category:Children's books set in the Middle Ages
- Nominator's rationale: merge, mostly 1- or 2-article categories, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose: I find it helpful (how is it not helpful for navigation?) and I can't see why, when precise defining/neutral/verifiable exist, we should merge them into extremely broad ones covering centuries. It is not only unnecessary, it is detrimental to the project in my opinion. As for the number of articles contained (if that is relevant), one contains 6 pages, another 4 and a subcat!) and was a WP:BEFORE performed to check that those categories cannot contain more pages, anyway? -Mushy Yank. 18:52, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:New Zealand academics lacking usual sources
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: This maintenance category doesn't seem to be used, and doesn't seem to have a template connected to it SMasonGarrison 04:27, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:Carniolan literary historians
[edit]- Propose splitting Category:Carniolan literary historians to Category:Slovenian literary historians and Category:Carniolan historians
- Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. There's only one person in here. Matija Čop is described as Slovene (hence the merge target) SMasonGarrison 03:49, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:03, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:1965 establishments the Republic of in Dahomey
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: grammar edit - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:46, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- It should become Category:1965 establishments in the Republic of Dahomey instead (with "in"). This could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:06, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Countries in fiction
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Gabon in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Gabon
- Propose merging Category:Grenada in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Grenada
- Propose merging Category:Guinea in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Guinea
- Propose merging Category:Guinea-Bissau in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Guinea-Bissau
- Propose merging Category:Guyana in fiction (1 C) to Category:Works about Guyana
- Propose merging Category:Honduras in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Honduras
- Propose merging Category:Ivory Coast in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Ivory Coast
- Propose merging Category:Kuwait in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Kuwait
- Propose merging Category:Lesotho in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Lesotho
- Propose merging Category:Libya in fiction (1 C) to Category:Works about Libya
- Propose merging Category:Liechtenstein in fiction (1 C) to to Category:Works about Liechtenstein
- Propose merging Category:Malawi in fiction (1 C) to Category:Works about Malawi
- Propose merging Category:Maldives in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of the Maldives
- Propose merging Category:Mali in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Mali
- Propose merging Category:Mauritania in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Mauritania
- Propose merging Category:Monaco in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Monaco
- Propose merging Category:Mozambique in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Mozambique
- Propose merging Category:Namibia in fiction (1 C) to Category:Works about Namibia
- Propose merging Category:Nicaragua in fiction (1 C) to Category:Works about Nicaragua
- Propose merging Category:Niger in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Niger
- Propose merging Category:Oman in fiction (1 C) to Category:Works about Oman
- Propose merging Category:Panama in fiction (1 C) to Category:Works about Panama
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:42, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- XXXX in fiction and Culture of XXX is not the same topic. So Oppose. If it has for now one subcat, how is it redundant? -Mushy Yank. 17:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- "Culture of" happens to be the parent category. If it is not a good merge target then just directly merge to Category:Gabon etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:07, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Opposing that target too. Too large (Much too large!!!). /Works about XXX/(as you suggest for some countries) COULD have been better (but then update your nomination, please) As for redundancy, not sure. Because the layer allows to navigate more clearly between Category:Works about Europe by country and Category:Europe in fiction by country and helps the reader in a more systematic way. I would leave it the way it is per WP:Categorization: "And subcategories should be categorised under the most specific parent categories possible." (emphasis not mine)-Mushy Yank. 22:13, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- XXXX in fiction and Culture of XXX is not the same topic. So Oppose. If it has for now one subcat, how is it redundant? -Mushy Yank. 17:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Mushy Yank's comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:46, 26 April 2025 (UTC)- Agree with @Mushy Yank. Oppose merge, leaving as is does not harm anything. Nayyn (talk) 06:54, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- "Works about" is the target unless that is otherwise empty too. But if merging to "Works about" is the maximum that is achievable here, so be it. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:Generals of the Army of Duchy of Warsaw
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated category, upmerge for now. Only Jan Henryk Dąbrowski is in it SMasonGarrison 03:51, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- No objection to merging per se. Alternatively the category may be expanded to Category:Military personnel of the Duchy of Warsaw. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. It's just need to be populated; see pl:Kategoria:Generałowie Wojska Księstwa Warszawskiego. Many of these bios exist on en wiki. I've added several, so it's not a small cat anymore. Moot discussion, trout nom for not bothering to click on the single interlanguage link. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:12, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Piortrus's comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:45, 26 April 2025 (UTC)- agree with @Prokonsul Piotrus. Just because it is under populated is not a good enough rationale for removal if the category reliable. oppose nomination Nayyn (talk) 06:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison and Piotrus: if we would expand it to Category:Military personnel of the Duchy of Warsaw we can add (at least) three more articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- I don't see your point. The category you propose makes sense - as a parent category, few levels up. Pl wiki has, in between, Category:Officers of the Army of Duchy of Warsaw (pl:Kategoria:Oficerowie Wojska Księstwa Warszawskiego), with several sister categories to generals we are missing (such as Colonels of...); and pl:Kategoria:Żołnierze Wojska Księstwa Warszawskiego, which is what you propose just above. All of these need to be created and populated. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:51, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- When those pages are created, then the category is useful. On English wikipedia, we don't keep categories that just have the potential for growth. Small cat was depreciated. SMasonGarrison 12:55, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- I don't see your point. The category you propose makes sense - as a parent category, few levels up. Pl wiki has, in between, Category:Officers of the Army of Duchy of Warsaw (pl:Kategoria:Oficerowie Wojska Księstwa Warszawskiego), with several sister categories to generals we are missing (such as Colonels of...); and pl:Kategoria:Żołnierze Wojska Księstwa Warszawskiego, which is what you propose just above. All of these need to be created and populated. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:51, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:West Coast Gold Rush in fiction
[edit]- Propose merging Category:West Coast Gold Rush in fiction to Category:West Coast Gold Rush and Category:Fiction about mining
- Nominator's rationale: merge for now, only two articles in the category, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:09, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- Two articles (for now) is enough for a category. Having less precise categories when you can have neutral/defining/verifiable precise ones is not only unnecessary, it is detrimental to the project. Have you done a WP:BEFORE and checked no other fiction works could be contained in the category? -Mushy Yank. 17:37, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- So, Oppose. -Mushy Yank. 22:20, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Just added a third page to the category :D -Mushy Yank. 23:20, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- So, Oppose. -Mushy Yank. 22:20, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Two articles (for now) is enough for a category. Having less precise categories when you can have neutral/defining/verifiable precise ones is not only unnecessary, it is detrimental to the project. Have you done a WP:BEFORE and checked no other fiction works could be contained in the category? -Mushy Yank. 17:37, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Mushy Yank's population?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:42, 26 April 2025 (UTC)- agree with @Mushy Yank, oppose nomination Nayyn (talk) 06:58, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:Bobsledders by populated place in the United States
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Subcategory with just one entry. Also merge to Category:Bobsledders by populated place. Lost in Quebec (talk) 00:20, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Seems reasonable SMasonGarrison 04:32, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, probably upmerge the subcategory too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 26 April 2025 (UTC)