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September 9, 2014	Good article nominee	Listed
September 29, 2014	Good topic candidate	Promoted
February 15, 2024	Good topic removal candidate	Demoted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on November 8, 2014. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the discoveries of nobelium* and lawrencium were disputed between Soviet and American scientists for decades?*
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Article changed over to new Wikipedia:WikiProject Elements format by mav 07:44, 24 Jan 2004 (UTC). Elementbox converted 12:11, 17 July 2005 by Femto (previous revision was that of 06:34, 21 June 2005).

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Some of the text in this entry was rewritten from Los Alamos National Laboratory - Nobelium. Additional text was taken directly from the Elements database 20001107 (via dict.org), Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) (via dict.org) and WordNet (r) 1.7 (via dict.org). Data for the table were obtained from the sources listed on the subject page and Wikipedia:WikiProject Elements but were reformatted and converted into SI units.

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No258,260

If you check out the isotopes of Mendelevium, it can be seen that Md258,260 have a non-negligible chance of decaying into No258,260. 32ieww (talk) 22:53, 11 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they do. Are you suggesting any changes to the article? Double sharp (talk) 03:09, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Reaction with ammonia

I believe nobelium metal behaves similarly to ytterbium metal and the alkaline earth metals, dissolving in ammonia to form blue electride salts. Sometimes Mendelevium may also be able to form electride salts. Anoop Manakkalath (talk) 22:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you're proposing this as an addition to the article, do you have a source for verification? Nobelium (and mendelevium) cannot be produced in macroscopic quantities, so I don't see how the formation of blue electride salts could be discerned. ^Complex/_Rational 05:10, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Based on periodicity I agree that this is likely for nobelium (Cm-No seem quite similar to La-Eu), but without a source it does not belong in the article. Double sharp (talk) 14:54, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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It has been proposed in this section that Nobelium be renamed and moved to Joliotium.

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Nobelium → Joliotium – Dubna actually found this element, and Russian scientists proposed the name joliotium for it, but the Swedish institute (whence the name nobelium) didn't, I want the letter J in the periodic table 125.230.192.249 (talk) 10:35, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The IUPAC name of element 102 is nobelium, and that is what everyone calls it – even Dubna. Double sharp (talk) 12:42, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose and speedy close The IUPAC name is nobelium and so that is the common name seen basically everywhere today. ^Complex/_Rational 12:48, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose and speedy close per above, we use the WP:COMMONNAME which is also the IUPAC recognised name, that being Nobelium. Additionally the name Joliotium was also proposed for Dubnium. We don't need to be the outlier restarting the settled dispute, for one's wish for an Element J. Dank Jae 19:49, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, speedy close. what you want as the official or de facto name of the element is irrelevant in the context of establishing the name on Wikipedia. you might be right based on the discovery and early publications that it debatably should've been called "joliotium". however, the fact remains that everyone knows it as Nobelium. that is the common name, the name used in publications/journals, online in popular science magazines, and here on Wikipedia.

my recommendation is to save it for your blog entries, or a post on Substack or Medium where you write about the historicity of calling it Nobelium. Create a template (talk) 01:28, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment In fact IUPAC already addressed this case officially: The issue of priority applies only to newly discovered elements; if and when the priority of discovery of an already-named element is successfully challenged, then this element will not be renamed [12], which was the case of element 102 (nobelium) [13]. Such renames were done historically (e.g. technetium), but no longer. Double sharp (talk) 06:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest to rename:

Element 11: Sodium -> Natrium

Element 19: Potassium -> Kalium

Element 51: Antimony -> Stibium

Element 74: Tungsten -> Wolfram

Element 80: Mercury -> Quicksilver

Element 102: Nobelium -> Joliotium

Then the first letter of the 118 chemical elements can be any letter. 61.229.98.114 (talk) 10:02, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a forum for you to publish your own beliefs or wishes. We instead rely on the consensus of what has been published in reliable sources. ^Complex/_Rational 14:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: what's relevant for an encyclopaedia entry is the name something actually has, not the one it should have.