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Hello,I heard that this article needs additional citations for verification. So I will help in this. Though, if you don't think I should edit the page then that's completely fine, I just want to help, I will obviously not do any bad edits just because the page is part of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. Usernamenter123 (talk) 14:34, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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If this article is to be renamed just "Palestine" can we start the process of renaming according articles from "State of Palestine" to "Palestine" too thanks Ecpiandy (talk) 03:07, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Please edit the grammar here in the intro
"Israel has constructed large settlements in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem since 1967, where currently more than 670,000 Israeli settlers, which are illegal under international law."
to something like
"Israel has constructed large settlements in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem since 1967, which currently house more than 670,000 Israeli settlers, and which are illegal under international law." HungryBison (talk) 18:37, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"where currently more than 670,000 Israeli settlers" what? Where they live? Where they play trombone? The sentence is not grammatically correct -- that is all I am asking to fix. HungryBison (talk) 18:44, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The sentence is not grammatically correct as written. There is an implied verb
where currently more than 670,000 Israeli settlers reside
where currently more than 670,000 Israeli settlers live
where currently more than 670,000 Israeli settlers exist
I chose that the settlements "house" the settlers in my suggestion because I thought that was broad and neutral, but feel free to use whichever verb choice you like. HungryBison (talk) 18:59, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Palestine is a country in middle East and Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine. you guys are giving wrong information about it Palestine is a country, Palestine is a country Hhexxen21 (talk) 06:36, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Change country to territory or state because Palestine is not a recognized country. It is a bad and incorrect thing to say with the current war going on. Poserwa (talk) 07:07, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Other entities with limited recognition, such as Israel and Taiwan, are not described with phrases like ‘recognized by X out of 193 UN member states’ in their opening statements. This is a blatant violation of NPOV. The bias against Palestine and Gaza is evident, yet editors here seem to ignore it
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Palestine should we written like every other country. Or should i dare you to go and change Israel to say recognized by x counties in UN. The fact palestine has limited recognition is in infobox and body. thats enough. No need to dimish its existence in lead Astropulse (talk) 06:47, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You were reverted. That means you open a discussion. It doesn't mean you revert the revert and open a discussion. You should self-revert. What happens in other articles has no bearing on this article. The lead is a summary of the article body. This article has entire sections dedicated to the issue of recognition ('Status and recognition' and 'International recognition'). Palestine is neither Israel nor Taiwan, it is Palestine. And the lead summarizes the contents of this article. I do not find your bias argument persuasive, but it is beside the point. The topic area is full of entitled people who don't follow the rules. Don't be one of those people. Sean.hoyland (talk) 08:19, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
and both israel and taiwan has similar section. and so whats special about Palestine? simple editorial bias. im just standing up for whats right. its not entitlement. ill revert just to follow the rule. Astropulse (talk) 08:38, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For me, it is just a question about what WP:LEAD says and what the article body says. It's about compressing the contents of the article into 4 paragraphs without losing the most significant information. It's not about what is fair or right or what happens in other articles. Many things are special about Palestine. It is under foreign occupation. It is unable to exercise effective control over its territory due foreign military forces. Much of its land has been colonized by non-citizens from the occupying state. Its efforts to become a UN member have been vetoed by a security council member. But if you want to compare this article to other articles, consider Western Sahara. I also don't agree that stating a significant fact about Palestine's recognition by a large number of UN members diminishes anything. It's just a fact. It's true that it is already in the infobox, so a redundancy argument has some validity, but so are several other significant features of Palestine that also appear in the lead. Sean.hoyland (talk) 11:09, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Palestine is in a factually "worse" position that "just" limited recognition like Israel and Taiwan, it has extremely limited de-facto sovereignty. Even if 193 out of 193 UN members will officially recognize the State of Palestine in 5 minutes time the fact is that it just doesn't the minimal self-control to be described as a truly sovereign state. DGtal (talk) 13:28, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And another difference is that it is not allowed to have a national army to defend its people and land. But all of these things are beside the point. We can simplify it down to a 'how to summarize the article' question. Sean.hoyland (talk) 15:15, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since you are from Israel, I ask that you refrain from participating in this discussion due to potential bias. While everyone has some degree of bias, it may be more pronounced for you discussing Palestine. Astropulse (talk) 20:45, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Its a question of Palestine’s recognition (by UN) a crucial factor to its definition as country in opening statement ( not in lead, i have no problem mentioning it later on ). maintain consistency with other wiki's is also a factor, if not it could suggest a double standard. Because of the prominence of placement of the contested text, especially to the detriment of other defining aspects, im argue its UNDUE. Because its recognized my majority of the UN - there is no need to detail the specifics of how many countries recognize it. Lede should only have significant info as per WP:LEAD - and details can be in body or infobox.
I am going to have to say, because they are the the same. Tawain was a member of the UN, and Israel is a member of the UN. Neither of those statements applies to Palestine. Slatersteven (talk) 13:34, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While it's ok to look at other Wikipedia articles for hints, we do not necessarily have to follow them. We follow the sources. For this article, it'd be sources about Palestine.
In 2012, the UN agreed to grant Palestine ‘non-member observer status’ (having rejected full membership the year before), and by 2015, over 130 countries had recognized the ‘State of Palestine’, including the Vatican. In 2015 Palestine became a member of UNESCO.
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Description of suggested change: In the first sentence, "recognized by majority of UN member states" should be corrected. It should either say, "recognized by a majority of UN member states", or it should indicate the number of UN member states that have recognized Palestine.
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Remsense ‥ 论 19:43, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Done Dr vulpes (Talk) 09:21, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
Not done: The present wording is the result of deliberate consensus analyzing reliable sources. Remsense ‥ 论 07:09, 15 February 2025 (UTC)