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Some are neutral/anodyne, some are remarkably elegant woodcut caricatures, some are incomprehensible without referring to the surrounding text and even then are a bit obscure, but just in case you are digging deeper into the Bank War and need contemporary illustrations, I wanted to let you know they're there. jengod (talk) 21:07, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think Seba's image of the duel is better than the one we have (and yet, it seems clear it is probably derived from it, as the Handbill's one is earlier. Thoughts? Wtfiv (talk) 00:25, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the image from Seba Smith's book is a very straightforward "this is a duel" image LOL although it does convey nicely that Dickinson *apparently* thought the duel was done and so did not anticipate Jackson shooting a second time and was not defending himself etc etc. I'm personally good with using the 1834 Seba Smith on this page. The Coffin Handbills duel image is currently on the Dickinson article, FWIW. jengod (talk) 00:40, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh man, I just love these. Even if well executed, the woodcuts are naïve, which makes them all the better in my estimation. I particularly like number 18, wherein Jackson is dressed like a fop in uniform, gold epaulets and all, and holding his pistol ever so daintily while his companions savagely attack the Bentons with their rapier-like daggers. Oh lord—and the pièce de résistance, the poor woman in the doorway with both her arms raised like a football referee's "touchdown!" signal. It's beautiful. And number 16, where Jackson sits on his Satanic Majesty's throne and dismisses his cabinet, raising his arms in the same gesture and legs impossibly splayed while the cowards flee in terror. This is Trump in a couple of weeks or so.;-) Carlstak (talk) 01:52, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree number 16 is graphically superior!
I don't even understand what number 11 exactly is about but it's another good visual of Jackson (with his ubiquitous cane for hitting people and things) and his cabinet working on affairs of state, such as they were.
I don't understand it either, but now I'm inspired to buy a cane even though I don't need one, just to make a fashion statement and to shake it vehemently for emphasis when I deliver my outraged rants. Carlstak (talk) 16:28, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Based on the chapter, I'd say the man on the left is Nicolas Biddle, who mockingly portrayed as the "Filadelfy [Philadelphia] Quaker" (In a pose reminiscent of William Penn but adding a sword) because of his family roots, who is about to get clobbered by Jackson and his kitchen cabinet. It may also allude to the Duane affair which is mentioned, where Duane, who was also from Philadelphia, resigned from the cabinet because he was against the destruction of the bank. The image would seem great for the Bank War article, but image seems more like a mashup summarizing the entire chapter it is embedded in, so captioning it would be challenging. Wtfiv (talk) 17:28, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thinking more about it, the facing page suggests it may be Major Downing reading his pro-bank proclamation to the cabinet in the guise of the above-mentioned characters. (I think Downing is usually portrayed thinner). Great caricature, but difficult to summarize! Wtfiv (talk) 23:55, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I propose adding an image to the Legacy section that illustrates how the "iconography" of Jackson is viewed at the present day. See image and caption attached; I argue that this image can be used under fair use as the person being interview clearly intended to frame himself and present as certain graphic result by including Jackson that can only be conveyed visually.
I prefer to avoid using the image. In addition to its questionability in terms of copyright, I think adding an image of a group using Jackson's image points move the section away from the article's focus on Jackson; rather, the image and caption seems to me to pull readers to focus on a group and its leader, for whom Jackson is peripheral. For now, I did add a clause mentioning that the Patriot Front uses his image, as it illustrates another example of how Jackson's image has been used to polarize race issues. As always, it'll be good to hear from others. Wtfiv (talk) 03:39, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see that NFCC would be met with this image. I just don't think it amounts to the degree of assistance to the reader to see that a wacko recorded a podcast in front of a picture of Jackson; a brief sentence or two about such usage would be sufficient. Hog Farmtalk04:22, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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